Many thanks for your efforts, clearly dating the piece into, let’s
call it, early 15th century.
I forwarded the information to the person in charge, and will see
him, I suppose, next week in Mandar. However, due to another assignment I will
only be able to follow up on this and other finds in the area end May, I fear.
For the time being, people interested in our present pre-survey may
have a look at https://www.facebook.com/situs2mandar/?fref=ts, where a number of young enthusiasts began to collect data on their
region’s pre-Islamic history. (It’s in Bahasa Indonesia, but there are photos and
coordinates for those who ….)
The clear classification of the Sukhothai bowl underlines that there
is much more to Mandar history then allowed for in the recognised local
historiographies which, except for scattered and rather foggy apostilles on
earlier players, commence only with the establishment of the ‘kingdom’ of
Balanipa and the Mandar confederation in the late 16th century.
Again, thanks a lot,
Horst Liebner
Again, thanks a lot,
Horst Liebner
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On Behalf Of Cort, Louise
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Tuesday, 12 April, 2016 02:11
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Subject: Re: [SEACERAMARCH] imported ceramic in w-sulawesi
To confirm Don’s dating of the Sukhothai vessel to C14-15, Roxanna Brown’s study of shipwreck materials indicates that this sort of Sukhothai vessel, with underglaze-black fish and floral motifs, appears on wrecks datable to “about the end of the 14th century until about 1480.” (Brown 2009:51).
Brown, Roxanna Maude. 2009. The Ming Gap and Shipwreck Ceramics in Southeast Asia; Towards a Chronology of Thai Trade Ware. Bangkok: Siam Society.
From: Southeast Asian Ceramic Archaeologists list [mailto:SEACERAMARCH@SI-LISTSERV.SI.EDU] On Behalf Of Don Hein
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 9:41 PM
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Subject: Re: imported ceramic in w-sulawesi
I agree with John Miksic of a Sukhothai – Thai attribution, made certain by the exposed fabric of the base which clearly shows large quartz inclusions typical of Sukhothai (absent from Vietnamese ware). Such ware were widely traded throughout the Southeast Asian archipelago.
Production site evidence (including up to three sequential kilns) suggests a manufacturing term of about 100 years. However (compared to Sawankhalok) very little study study/excavation has been conducted at Sukhothai (although Kun Prachote Sangkhanukij is presently undertaking such a program). Dating is fuzzy, but a best guess may be C14-C15.
Don Hein.
To: SEACERAMARCH@SI-LISTSERV.SI.EDU
Subject: Re: [SEACERAMARCH] imported ceramic in w-sulawesi
To confirm Don’s dating of the Sukhothai vessel to C14-15, Roxanna Brown’s study of shipwreck materials indicates that this sort of Sukhothai vessel, with underglaze-black fish and floral motifs, appears on wrecks datable to “about the end of the 14th century until about 1480.” (Brown 2009:51).
Brown, Roxanna Maude. 2009. The Ming Gap and Shipwreck Ceramics in Southeast Asia; Towards a Chronology of Thai Trade Ware. Bangkok: Siam Society.
From: Southeast Asian Ceramic Archaeologists list [mailto:SEACERAMARCH@SI-LISTSERV.SI.EDU] On Behalf Of Don Hein
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 9:41 PM
To: SEACERAMARCH@SI-LISTSERV.SI.EDU
Subject: Re: imported ceramic in w-sulawesi
I agree with John Miksic of a Sukhothai – Thai attribution, made certain by the exposed fabric of the base which clearly shows large quartz inclusions typical of Sukhothai (absent from Vietnamese ware). Such ware were widely traded throughout the Southeast Asian archipelago.
Production site evidence (including up to three sequential kilns) suggests a manufacturing term of about 100 years. However (compared to Sawankhalok) very little study study/excavation has been conducted at Sukhothai (although Kun Prachote Sangkhanukij is presently undertaking such a program). Dating is fuzzy, but a best guess may be C14-C15.
Don Hein.
From:
Minh Tri [mailto:tri_vnceramics@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, 8 April, 2016 17:15
To: Horst Liebner <khmail@INDOSAT.NET.ID>
Subject: Re: imported ceramic in w-sulawesi
This dish from Thailand and date late 14th early 15th century.
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Sent: Friday, 8 April, 2016 17:15
To: Horst Liebner <khmail@INDOSAT.NET.ID>
Subject: Re: imported ceramic in w-sulawesi
This dish from Thailand and date late 14th early 15th century.
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From:
Miksic John N
Sent: Saturday, 9 April, 2016 03:03
To: Horst Liebner <khmail@INDOSAT.NET.ID>
Subject: RE: imported ceramic in w-sulawesi
This looks very Sukhothai to me. it could be late 14th century, but it could have been imported or disposed of by burial at a later period, say first half of the 15th century.[1]
Sent: Saturday, 9 April, 2016 03:03
To: Horst Liebner <khmail@INDOSAT.NET.ID>
Subject: RE: imported ceramic in w-sulawesi
This looks very Sukhothai to me. it could be late 14th century, but it could have been imported or disposed of by burial at a later period, say first half of the 15th century.[1]
[1]https://www.facebook.com/situs2mandar/photos/a.742022265931858.1073741828.742011879266230/779203188880432/?type=3&theater